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Trump lawyer questions Carroll at rape lawsuit

E. Jean Carroll, a writer accusing Donald Trump of raping her in the mid-1990s, pushed back during a cross-examination on Thursday, exclaiming: “He raped me whether I screamed or not.” Asked by Trump’s lawyer why she did not scream during the alleged attack, Carroll said she was panicked and “not a screamer” by nature. “People always ask, ‘Why didn’t you scream?’ It keeps women silent,” Carroll told the lawyer, Joe Tacopina, on the third day of a trial in her civil case against the former U.S. president in Manhattan federal court. The Associated Press has the story:

Trump lawyer questions Carroll at rape lawsuit

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Donald Trump’s lawyer sought Thursday to pick apart a decades-old rape claim against the former president, questioning why accuser E. Jean Carroll did not scream or seek help when Trump allegedly attacked her in a department store.

But Carroll, a writer and former advice columnist, rebuffed the suggestion that rape victims are supposed to act a certain way, saying such thinking deters women from coming forward.

In this courtroom sketch, Judge Lewis Kaplan, left, presides, as E. Jean Carroll, right, is cross-examined by Donald Trump’s defense attorney in Federal Court, in New York, Thursday, April 27, 2023. Former President Donald Trump’s lawyer Joe Tacopina went on the attack Thursday against writer E. Jean Carroll’s claims that she was raped by Trump in the 1990s, using cross examination to try to discredit the longtime advice columnist before a jury at a New York civil trial. (AP Photo/Elizabeth Williams)

“I’m telling you, he raped me, whether I screamed or not,” Carroll said, her voice rising and breaking, at the federal civil trial in New York.

Carroll, who is suing Trump over the alleged assault, claims he raped her in a dressing room at the posh Manhattan store in 1996. She did not go to police and said she only told two close friends at the time.

Trump lawyer Joseph Tacopina suggested her claims strained credulity, contending that she only came forward in 2019 — midway through Trump’s presidency — because of her disdain for his politics and because she wanted to sell copies of her book.

Joe Tacopina, a lawyer representing former President Donald Trump, arrives to federal court as Laurie Arbeiter, left, holds signs protesting Trump in New York, Thursday, April 27, 2023. A writer has told a jury that Donald Trump raped her after she accompanied him into a luxury department store fitting room in 1996. Trump denies the allegations. (AP Photo/Seth Wenig)

Trump, 76, says the encounter never happened, that he doesn’t know Carroll and that she’s not his “type” — comments that are at the heart of the defamation claims in Carroll’s lawsuit. The complaint seeks unspecified damages and a retraction of the comments.

Trump did not mention the trial during a campaign event Thursday in Manchester, New Hampshire. He’s not expected in court, though his lawyers have not entirely ruled it out. Jurors are expected to see parts of a videotaped deposition he gave in the case.

On Wednesday, Trump launched a counterattack against the trial on social media, telling followers on his Truth Social platform that the case was “a made up SCAM” and alluding to a DNA issue that Judge Lewis A. Kaplan has barred from the trial.

Former advice columnist E. Jean Carroll, right, leaves federal court with her lawyer Roberta Kaplan, Thursday, April 27, 2023, in New York. Donald Trump’s lawyer sought Thursday to pick apart a decades-old rape claim against the former president, questioning why accuser E. Jean Carroll did not scream or seek help when Trump allegedly attacked her in a department store.(AP Photo/Bebeto Matthews)

The outburst drew a rebuke and a warning from Kaplan, who called it “entirely inappropriate.”

Consistent and unruffled in her second day of testimony, Carroll grew frustrated as Tacopina zeroed in on how she says she behaved during the alleged assault. She says it happened after a chance run-in with Trump at luxury retailer Bergdorf Goodman in spring 1996.

“You can’t beat up on me because I didn’t scream,” Carroll forcefully told Tacopina. She had explained in earlier testimony that she was “not a screamer — I’m a fighter.”

Carroll, 79, said that if she were lying about the assault, she would’ve told people she had screamed because “more people would have believed me.”

But, she emphasized, “I don’t need an excuse for not screaming.”

Former advice columnist E. Jean Carroll, right, leaves federal court with her lawyer Roberta Kaplan, Thursday, April 27, 2023, in New York. Donald Trump’s lawyer sought Thursday to pick apart a decades-old rape claim against the former president, questioning why accuser E. Jean Carroll did not scream or seek help when Trump allegedly attacked her in a department store. (AP Photo/Bebeto Matthews)

When Tacopina used the word “supposedly” to cast doubt on her claim, she immediately and sternly rebuked him.

“Not ‘supposedly.’ I was raped,” she said.

“That’s your version, Ms. Carroll, that you were raped,” Tacopina said.

“Those are the facts,” she replied.

She did, however, concede that some details of her story — including the lack of witnesses in a department store — were “difficult to conceive of.”

Seeking to make that point, Tacopina questioned Carroll about her testimony that she eventually fought Trump off while wearing 4-inch (10 cm) heels and without letting go of her purse.

Joe Tacopina, a lawyer representing former President Donald Trump, left, arrives to federal court in New York, Thursday, April 27, 2023. A writer has told a jury that Donald Trump raped her after she accompanied him into a luxury department store fitting room in 1996. Trump denies the allegations. (AP Photo/Seth Wenig)

The lawyer underscored, through his questions, that she didn’t seek help from anyone in the store as she allegedly fled by riding six flights down an escalator, didn’t ask about security video and didn’t seek medical attention or call police.

Carroll said she initially felt charmed by Trump as he asked for her help finding a women’s gift, exchanged jokes with her about trying on a see-through garment and led her into a dressing room. Even when he slammed the door and shoved her into the wall, she said, she couldn’t help but laugh and think there had been some mistake or misunderstanding.

In this courtroom sketch, in Federal Court, in New York, Thursday, April 27, 2023, E. Jean Carroll, center, testifies on the witness stand as a photo of her and Donald Trump, along with his wife Ivana and Carroll’s former husband, is shown on a screen. The photo was taken prior to the alleged assault. The jury is in the foreground. (AP Photo/Elizabeth Williams)

“I was trying to figure out what the hell was going on,” Carroll testified as jurors listened attentively.

“Then he put his mouth against mine,” she said, “and I understood.”

Carroll said Trump yanked down her tights and raped her before she kneed him and fled. She said she would have kept the accusation secret forever if not for the the #MeToo movement, which gained prominence in 2017.

In this courtroom sketch, in Federal Court, in New York, Thursday, April 27, 2023, E. Jean Carroll stands with one leg up to show the jury how she was able to push Donald Trump off of her during the alleged assault, and escape from the dressing room in 1996. (AP Photo/Elizabeth Williams)

The Associated Press typically does not name people who say they have been sexually assaulted unless they come forward publicly, as Carroll has done.

Carroll sued in November after New York state enacted a law allowing lawsuits over long-ago claims of sexual assault.

Carroll said Thursday that a look at social media once the trial started revealed fresh insults against her as people labeled her a “liar, slut, ugly, old.”

“But I couldn’t be more proud to be here,” she testified.

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